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Marco Tedaldi
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|  Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
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KatWoman schrieb:
Quote:
If you take a class the comps have educational copies already installed on
the comps in the room
no purchase other than course money is required
also qualifies you to buy a cheaper and fully functional and identical
program of PS at educational prices
nice to know...
Quote:wonder why gimp and free program fans who dislike PS hang out here in PS
users group and feel the need to make put downs?
This might be, because this post is crossposted in 4 different groups
(look at the headers) and not every of this groups is dedicated to
photoshop. But this is only my own clueless assumption.
Quote:like Chevy drivers dissing Ferraris
did someone diss photoshop? I've read the thread but I did not see
someone really saying something agains PS. Only people telling, that It
does not have to be photoshop since there are alternatives.
And just to finish this: Just because a software is used by the biggest
part of the audience it does not always mean that it is the best
software for everyone and anything.
For me personally: I can't (don't want to) afford PS. So instead of
using a pirated copy I'm just using Gimp. Maybe also because I'm using
linux :-)
kruemi
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| | Back to top | |  | John Navas
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| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
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On 27 Dec 2008 20:26:41 GMT, ray <ray (AT) zianet (DOT) com> wrote in
<6rnhc1F2bs7qU2 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net>:
Quote:On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:06:08 -0500, KatWoman wrote:
wonder why gimp and free program fans who dislike PS hang out here in PS
users group and feel the need to make put downs?
like Chevy drivers dissing Ferraris
Excuse me? rec.photo.digital is NOT a "PS users group". ...
This is being cross-posted to:
* adobe.photoshop.windows
* comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
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| | Back to top | | | John Navas
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| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:31:45 +0100, Marco Tedaldi
<news0708.kruemi (AT) spamgourmet (DOT) com> wrote in
<gj6386$n89$1 (AT) reader (DOT) motzarella.org>:
Quote:KatWoman schrieb:
like Chevy drivers dissing Ferraris
did someone diss photoshop? ...
Shall we just say GIMP advocacy then? On Linux no less. ;)
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| | Back to top | | | KatWoman
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| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| "Marco Tedaldi" <news0708.kruemi (AT) spamgourmet (DOT) com> wrote
Quote:KatWoman schrieb: If you take a class the comps have educational copies already installed on the comps in the room no purchase other than course money is required also qualifies you to buy a cheaper and fully functional and identical program of PS at educational prices nice to know... wonder why gimp and free program fans who dislike PS hang out here in PS users group and feel the need to make put downs? This might be, because this post is crossposted in 4 different groups (look at the headers) and not every of this groups is dedicated to photoshop. But this is only my own clueless assumption. like Chevy drivers dissing Ferraris did someone diss photoshop? I've read the thread but I did not see someone really saying something agains PS. Only people telling, that It does not have to be photoshop since there are alternatives. And just to finish this: Just because a software is used by the biggest part of the audience it does not always mean that it is the best software for everyone and anything. For me personally: I can't (don't want to) afford PS. So instead of using a pirated copy I'm just using Gimp. Maybe also because I'm using linux :-) kruemi -- Dimage A2, Agfa isolette http://flickr.com/photos/kruemiAnd a cool timekiller: http://www.starpirates.net/register.php?referer=9708
I cannot see I posted to or dl'ed any other group
sorry I am new to this NG
the other group I was on showed all the previous posts in each reply and new
posts at the bottom
you snip all messages here?
top post is preferred?
why do many of you have addresses that end in (A_T) adobeforums.com |
| | Back to top | | | Stephen Henning
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| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| Matt Ion <soundy106 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:Elements is now up to 7. Much has changed.
And this is reason I should change what I'm already comfortable and
happy with?
PSP has changed much over the years. As has GIMP. As has Windows,
MacOS, *nix, and computer hardware in general. I see no point in
changing just for the sake of changing.
Most of the changes were BIG improvements. My favorite improvements are:
1) Lighten shadows.
2) Darken highlights.
These really speed up what were curve changes.
3) Also changes are much faster.
Probably the next most favorite changes is the
4) smart edge select tool.
It makes it a snap to select a region for enhancement.
Also the enhancement tools are much improved. You no longer have to
constantly go back and forth between brightness and contrast. The
5) ASA tool is much better. Also, the have the
6) cool/warm tool which is much more meaningful than the old tint
control.
Fortunately, iPhoto has adapted these changes also.
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| | Back to top | | | BillGarrens
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| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
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Quote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:06:17 -0500, tony cooper <tony_cooper213 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>
wrote:
Quote:Where the Adobe programs kick in is when you want to do more
sophisticated editing...adjustment layers, for example. An adjustment
layer allows you to change Levels, Brightness/Contrast, Hue and
Saturation, etc in a non-permanent way that allows you to come back
and tweak individual steps.
Adjustment Layers is not some amazing "adobe only" concept in graphic editing
programs. On that Wiki raster-graphics page I count 35 different editors that
use layers and adjustment layers. Take Photoline for example. It alone includes
34 adjustment layer types. One more of them is a "custom" adjustment layer where
you can define as many of your own filters as you like by editing a
filter-matrix. So in reality, that program has an unlimited number of adjustment
layers if you want to define your own collection of presets on the custom one.
Photoshop was left in the dust by many programs, long ago. Online photoshop fans
just don't realize it. Like the religious, they have kept their nose plastered
into only one book all these years and accomplished nothing but becoming
phenomenally ignorant. All that's left is their trying to justify why they have
paid so much for so little for so many years.
Pity, that. |
| | Back to top | | | John Navas
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| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:01:33 -0600, BillGarrens <bgarrens (AT) unknown (DOT) org>
wrote in <b18dl4961rp4fnqa9vq0rpfkk1lqrtkcal (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>:
Quote:Photoshop was left in the dust by many programs, long ago. ...
Most professionals would disagree with you.
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John |
| | Back to top | | | ray
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| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:39:22 -0800, John Navas wrote:
Quote:On 27 Dec 2008 20:26:41 GMT, ray <ray (AT) zianet (DOT) com> wrote in
6rnhc1F2bs7qU2 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net>:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:06:08 -0500, KatWoman wrote:
wonder why gimp and free program fans who dislike PS hang out here in
PS users group and feel the need to make put downs?
like Chevy drivers dissing Ferraris
Excuse me? rec.photo.digital is NOT a "PS users group". ...
This is being cross-posted to:
* adobe.photoshop.windows
* comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
Both of which I don't read - yet I'm chastised for posting a reply in
rec.photo.digital. Well, at least I can see where you folks are coming
from. |
| | Back to top | | | John Navas
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| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| On 27 Dec 2008 22:32:44 GMT, ray <ray (AT) zianet (DOT) com> wrote in
<6rnoobF2igu0U1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net>:
Quote:On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:39:22 -0800, John Navas wrote:
On 27 Dec 2008 20:26:41 GMT, ray <ray (AT) zianet (DOT) com> wrote in
6rnhc1F2bs7qU2 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net>:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:06:08 -0500, KatWoman wrote:
wonder why gimp and free program fans who dislike PS hang out here in
PS users group and feel the need to make put downs?
like Chevy drivers dissing Ferraris
Excuse me? rec.photo.digital is NOT a "PS users group". ...
This is being cross-posted to:
* adobe.photoshop.windows
* comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
Both of which I don't read - yet I'm chastised for posting a reply in
rec.photo.digital. Well, at least I can see where you folks are coming
from.
It's not worth getting upset about on either side.
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John |
| | Back to top | | | BillGarrens
Guest
| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:17:31 -0800, John Navas <spamfilter1 (AT) navasgroup (DOT) com>
wrote:
Quote:On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:01:33 -0600, BillGarrens <bgarrens (AT) unknown (DOT) org
wrote in <b18dl4961rp4fnqa9vq0rpfkk1lqrtkcal (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>:
Photoshop was left in the dust by many programs, long ago. ...
Most professionals would disagree with you.
You would be correct if you say "some professionals would disagree with you."
Otherwise I would be just as correct by saying that "most professionals agree
with me." The ones that I know would agree with me.
In all my travels and in all I have met, rarely does "professional" equate to
"intelligent". Some just keep using what they were told to use long ago, none
the wiser. Many use it because it was and is the best tax write-off for their
business office and nothing more. That being a large reason for its original
start. Hardly a reason to advise the use of it today if someone is looking for
the best software available. |
| | Back to top | | | John Navas
Guest
| | Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:12:13 -0600, BillGarrens <bgarrens (AT) unknown (DOT) org>
wrote in <aocdl49nm54asi2cfc5i28jnq959r4j113 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>:
Quote:On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:17:31 -0800, John Navas <spamfilter1 (AT) navasgroup (DOT) com
wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:01:33 -0600, BillGarrens <bgarrens (AT) unknown (DOT) org
wrote in <b18dl4961rp4fnqa9vq0rpfkk1lqrtkcal (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>:
Photoshop was left in the dust by many programs, long ago. ...
Most professionals would disagree with you.
You would be correct if you say "some professionals would disagree with you."
Otherwise I would be just as correct by saying that "most professionals agree
with me." The ones that I know would agree with me.
In all my travels and in all I have met, rarely does "professional" equate to
"intelligent". Some just keep using what they were told to use long ago, none
the wiser. Many use it because it was and is the best tax write-off for their
business office and nothing more. That being a large reason for its original
start. Hardly a reason to advise the use of it today if someone is looking for
the best software available.
You of course know better than all those professionals. ;)
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Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John |
| | Back to top | | | Juergen Heinzl
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| | Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| BillGarrens schrieb:
Quote:On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:17:31 -0800, John Navas <spamfilter1 (AT) navasgroup (DOT) com
wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:01:33 -0600, BillGarrens <bgarrens (AT) unknown (DOT) org
wrote in <b18dl4961rp4fnqa9vq0rpfkk1lqrtkcal (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>:
Photoshop was left in the dust by many programs, long ago. ...
Most professionals would disagree with you.
You would be correct if you say "some professionals would disagree with you."
Otherwise I would be just as correct by saying that "most professionals agree
with me." The ones that I know would agree with me.
Also known as "anecdotical evidence". Consequently I dare say the earth
is flat, smoking & drinking is good for your health and the stars are
responsible for our destiny.
Quote:In all my travels and in all I have met, rarely does "professional" equate to
"intelligent". Some just keep using what they were told to use long ago, none
the wiser.
So it is you who is qualified what is judge what an intelligent choice
and what is not? Now fancy that!
Quote:Many use it because it was and is the best tax write-off for their
business office and nothing more. That being a large reason for its original
start. Hardly a reason to advise the use of it today if someone is looking for
the best software available.
If you really think there'd be a "best" solution the reason for this may
have less to do with there actually is a "best" solution but rather that
your personal horizon does not reach much farther than the tip of your nose.
Personally I am sure mentioned projection not to be overly protruding,
Juergen |
| | Back to top | | | CJ
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| | Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| BillGarrens wrote:
Quote:On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:17:31 -0800, John Navas
spamfilter1 (AT) navasgroup (DOT) com> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:01:33 -0600, BillGarrens
bgarrens (AT) unknown (DOT) org> wrote in
b18dl4961rp4fnqa9vq0rpfkk1lqrtkcal (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>:
Photoshop was left in the dust by many programs, long ago. ...
Most professionals would disagree with you.
You would be correct if you say "some professionals would disagree
with you." Otherwise I would be just as correct by saying that "most
professionals agree with me." The ones that I know would agree with
me.
In all my travels and in all I have met, rarely does "professional"
equate to "intelligent". Some just keep using what they were told to
use long ago, none the wiser. Many use it because it was and is the
best tax write-off for their business office and nothing more. That
being a large reason for its original start. Hardly a reason to
advise the use of it today if someone is looking for the best
software available.
Ahh... The ol' PhotoLine32 troll returns. I wondered when you would
surface in this thread.
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| | Back to top | | | tony cooper
Guest
| | Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:58 am Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| On 27 Dec 2008 16:23:40 GMT, ray <ray (AT) zianet (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:OK, so let's say 'many' rather than 'most'. The point I was attempting to
make is that unless you spend most of your day every day in front of the
computer playing with the software, 30 days is likely to be enough to get
a very general introduction - certainly not to master anything or get a
real feel for what it will do. I have a life aside from photography. My
time would be limited to a few hours here and there. I find 30 days to be
quite a short evaluation period. But since I'm not likely to evaluate
adobe products until the Linux version comes out, I guess my opinion does
not count.
Photoshop users will not tell you they have mastered Photoshop in 30
days even if they devote their full time to Photoshop. However, a 30
day trial is more than adequate to evaluate a product. Assuming one
hour each night five times a week and you have 20 or more hours of
hands-on use. That's more than enough time to make an evaluation.
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| | Back to top | | | The Real Bev
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| | Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Photoshop recommendations |
| John Navas wrote:
Quote:Marco Tedaldi wrote: KatWoman schrieb: like Chevy drivers dissing Ferraris did someone diss photoshop? ... Shall we just say GIMP advocacy then? On Linux no less. 
I imagine GIMP would be really nifty if I wanted to use it bad enough to
actually learn to do stuff with it. I remember that the 'remove the
redeye' instructions took 3 pages and still didn't work :-(
Portunately we Friends of the Penguin have Picasa. Doesn't do
everything that even PS Elements does, but it does what I need.
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Bev
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